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	<title>Comments on: Stonewall #bigotaward, Christian Concern, Barclays and Coutts controversy</title>
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	<description>I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth.</description>
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		<title>By: fr. Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>fr. Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[“Perhaps, dear chap, because you and your friends are so obsessed with it that policemen are now harassing Christians? But then you knew that…

Still, since you endorse unnatural vice, I doubt that a bit of deliberate dishonesty will bother you a bit, eh?”

@ Roger Pearse – what a load of claptrap ‘you and your friends’ what’s that supposed to mean?  Keep to your ancient texts and eulogising about a past that never existed, as you seem incapable of meaningful comment on present situations – unless you count Daily Mail reactionary conservatism as a constructive take on a subject…  

Perhaps if Christians really were persecuted in the UK, the Gospel might stand a chance in this country.  Instead we have fools who think tradition and historical precedence give them a right to respect and social and political power – and an obsession about other people’s sexuality… Lk 3:8 and all that…  

P.S.  Please demonstrate where I ‘endorse unnatural vice’?  I eagerly await the power of your perception and perspicacity…  Just because someone is homosexual, or even in a same-sex partnership does not mean that person is committing ANY ‘unnatural vice’ – except of course in the sex-obsessed mind of the prurient and the base minded…  It must be a terrible burden to go through life with such a mucky mind...


Every blessing…]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Perhaps, dear chap, because you and your friends are so obsessed with it that policemen are now harassing Christians? But then you knew that…</p>
<p>Still, since you endorse unnatural vice, I doubt that a bit of deliberate dishonesty will bother you a bit, eh?”</p>
<p>@ Roger Pearse – what a load of claptrap ‘you and your friends’ what’s that supposed to mean?  Keep to your ancient texts and eulogising about a past that never existed, as you seem incapable of meaningful comment on present situations – unless you count Daily Mail reactionary conservatism as a constructive take on a subject…  </p>
<p>Perhaps if Christians really were persecuted in the UK, the Gospel might stand a chance in this country.  Instead we have fools who think tradition and historical precedence give them a right to respect and social and political power – and an obsession about other people’s sexuality… Lk 3:8 and all that…  </p>
<p>P.S.  Please demonstrate where I ‘endorse unnatural vice’?  I eagerly await the power of your perception and perspicacity…  Just because someone is homosexual, or even in a same-sex partnership does not mean that person is committing ANY ‘unnatural vice’ – except of course in the sex-obsessed mind of the prurient and the base minded…  It must be a terrible burden to go through life with such a mucky mind&#8230;</p>
<p>Every blessing…</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear Roger, 
Most people don&#039;t think about homosexuality very much in every day life.

Perhaps I was immunised during my time working in almost entirely gay office, but people are just people with all of the woes and joys that life brings regardless of their sexuality.

One thing I would say, however, is that there ARE people in leadership in liberal churches who like to enhance the feeling of repression felt by some gay people as a way of encouraging them to identify with their the gospel (or their interpretation of it - a sort of post liberation theology). I find this equally as bad as Christian Concern and their ilk as its all ultimately about getting bums on seats (either here or in heaven) rather than trying to get to the truth of things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Roger,<br />
Most people don&#8217;t think about homosexuality very much in every day life.</p>
<p>Perhaps I was immunised during my time working in almost entirely gay office, but people are just people with all of the woes and joys that life brings regardless of their sexuality.</p>
<p>One thing I would say, however, is that there ARE people in leadership in liberal churches who like to enhance the feeling of repression felt by some gay people as a way of encouraging them to identify with their the gospel (or their interpretation of it &#8211; a sort of post liberation theology). I find this equally as bad as Christian Concern and their ilk as its all ultimately about getting bums on seats (either here or in heaven) rather than trying to get to the truth of things.</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/10/30/stonewall-bigot-award-christian-concern-barclays-coutts-controversy/comment-page-1/#comment-97419</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 19:34:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I steer clear from such sites as Christian Concern – not unlike Anglican Mainstream, Life Site News.com (or Lie.Sleight.abuse.com, would be a better name…) and to a lesser degree Catholic Voices, so many of the articles are linked to sex in some shape or form. With Christian Concern, it’s mainly homosexuality. Why so much is made of something that affects so few?&quot;

Perhaps,  dear chap, because you and your friends are so obsessed with it that policemen are now harassing Christians?  But then you knew that...

Still, since you endorse unnatural vice, I doubt that a bit of deliberate dishonesty will bother you a bit, eh?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I steer clear from such sites as Christian Concern – not unlike Anglican Mainstream, Life Site News.com (or Lie.Sleight.abuse.com, would be a better name…) and to a lesser degree Catholic Voices, so many of the articles are linked to sex in some shape or form. With Christian Concern, it’s mainly homosexuality. Why so much is made of something that affects so few?&#8221;</p>
<p>Perhaps,  dear chap, because you and your friends are so obsessed with it that policemen are now harassing Christians?  But then you knew that&#8230;</p>
<p>Still, since you endorse unnatural vice, I doubt that a bit of deliberate dishonesty will bother you a bit, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: fr. Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>fr. Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 17:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I steer clear from such sites as Christian Concern – not unlike Anglican Mainstream, Life Site News.com (or Lie.Sleight.abuse.com, would be a better name…) and to a lesser degree Catholic Voices, so many of the articles are linked to sex in some shape or form.  With Christian Concern, it’s mainly homosexuality.  Why so much is made of something that affects so few? Surely, instead of pointing the bony, self-righteous finger of accusation there is much in everyday life Christians could be ‘concerning’ themselves with (as no doubt some do – it is Christian Concern that goes in for the easy righteousness of Queer Bashing, with article after article on its site in some way related to things pink (metaphorically or genitally…  water finds its own level, as they say). You have to ask why the issue of homosexuality gains such a disproportionate attention. 

According to Matthew’s Gospel, Jesus tells us:

“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.  For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?  When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?  When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’

Matt 7: 21-23 is also worth a look in…

I think what this passage tells us, is that bleating on about homosexuality is of little consequence. It is so rarely mentioned in the Bible, where as justice, ‘washing each other’s feet’, avoiding the sin of self-righteousness (in short pride) and looking down on others seeing them more sinful than oneself,  are mentioned again and again. But we rarely read posts on the Christian Concern site (and its like minded siblings) calling its readers to do that which is personally costly – no, there is a disproportionate interest in ‘easy’ righteousness.   

As an aside, what is ironic is that about the same time as civil partnerships came in in the UK, we began to see a fall in the divorce rate…  Perhaps Britain will follow in the footsteps of some of our more liberal neighbours – and the odd liberal US state and go for gay-marriage; then we might really see the divorce rate fall…  Alas it is only in the religiously conservative Western societies that divorce, single parenthood and teenage pregnancy seems to rule…  Thank God for the Queers, at least in condemning them, the sex-obsessed writers of Christian concern have a handy scapegoat…  A pity there isn’t such a quick fix Christian Concern could use when it comes to integrity…   

I just might begin making donations to Stonewall again, I only stopped when it became too political…  At least it does some good in the world, which is more than can be said for Christian Concern – now there’s the saddest irony of all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I steer clear from such sites as Christian Concern – not unlike Anglican Mainstream, Life Site News.com (or Lie.Sleight.abuse.com, would be a better name…) and to a lesser degree Catholic Voices, so many of the articles are linked to sex in some shape or form.  With Christian Concern, it’s mainly homosexuality.  Why so much is made of something that affects so few? Surely, instead of pointing the bony, self-righteous finger of accusation there is much in everyday life Christians could be ‘concerning’ themselves with (as no doubt some do – it is Christian Concern that goes in for the easy righteousness of Queer Bashing, with article after article on its site in some way related to things pink (metaphorically or genitally…  water finds its own level, as they say). You have to ask why the issue of homosexuality gains such a disproportionate attention. </p>
<p>According to Matthew’s Gospel, Jesus tells us:</p>
<p>“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world.  For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’<br />
“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?  When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?  When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’<br />
“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’<br />
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.  For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’</p>
<p>Matt 7: 21-23 is also worth a look in…</p>
<p>I think what this passage tells us, is that bleating on about homosexuality is of little consequence. It is so rarely mentioned in the Bible, where as justice, ‘washing each other’s feet’, avoiding the sin of self-righteousness (in short pride) and looking down on others seeing them more sinful than oneself,  are mentioned again and again. But we rarely read posts on the Christian Concern site (and its like minded siblings) calling its readers to do that which is personally costly – no, there is a disproportionate interest in ‘easy’ righteousness.   </p>
<p>As an aside, what is ironic is that about the same time as civil partnerships came in in the UK, we began to see a fall in the divorce rate…  Perhaps Britain will follow in the footsteps of some of our more liberal neighbours – and the odd liberal US state and go for gay-marriage; then we might really see the divorce rate fall…  Alas it is only in the religiously conservative Western societies that divorce, single parenthood and teenage pregnancy seems to rule…  Thank God for the Queers, at least in condemning them, the sex-obsessed writers of Christian concern have a handy scapegoat…  A pity there isn’t such a quick fix Christian Concern could use when it comes to integrity…   </p>
<p>I just might begin making donations to Stonewall again, I only stopped when it became too political…  At least it does some good in the world, which is more than can be said for Christian Concern – now there’s the saddest irony of all.</p>
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		<title>By: Gordon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gordon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:31:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Christian concern are only really concerned with the appropriate use of genitalia. It is a fairly limited remit!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Christian concern are only really concerned with the appropriate use of genitalia. It is a fairly limited remit!</p>
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