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	<description>I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth.</description>
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		<title>By: Footteral</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-92434</link>
		<dc:creator>Footteral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pastor John Mcmartin preachers that we should give our first 10% 
of our incomes so that God can bless the rest. 
 
It a prosperity Gospel where you give to get a return on your investment 
 
Romans 8:7 
 
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, 
for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. 
 
John encourages people to work hard to make money so they can give more 
 
John has groups called kingdom people who donate a sum of money to be 
a member of the groups. It for business people who can give alot. 
 
What does the bible teach on this 
 
Then Jesus said to his disciples, &quot;I tell you the truth, 
it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. 
 
people are led to believe if they give, God will take care of their money problems 
 
This puts people into a false sense of security 
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQIoZV2KRY 
 
and from Jesus himself 
 
 
Matthew 19:23 
&quot;Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, 
you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men&#039;s faces. 
You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. 
 
What worldly teachers are doing to you 
 
You adulterous people, don&#039;t you know that 
friendship with the world is hatred toward God? 
Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes 
an enemy of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pastor John Mcmartin preachers that we should give our first 10%<br />
of our incomes so that God can bless the rest. </p>
<p>It a prosperity Gospel where you give to get a return on your investment </p>
<p>Romans 8:7 </p>
<p>For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God,<br />
for it does not submit to God’s law; indeed, it cannot. </p>
<p>John encourages people to work hard to make money so they can give more </p>
<p>John has groups called kingdom people who donate a sum of money to be<br />
a member of the groups. It for business people who can give alot. </p>
<p>What does the bible teach on this </p>
<p>Then Jesus said to his disciples, &#8220;I tell you the truth,<br />
it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. </p>
<p>people are led to believe if they give, God will take care of their money problems </p>
<p>This puts people into a false sense of security </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQIoZV2KRY"  rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuQIoZV2KRY</a> </p>
<p>and from Jesus himself </p>
<p>Matthew 19:23<br />
&#8220;Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees,<br />
you hypocrites! You shut the kingdom of heaven in men&#8217;s faces.<br />
You yourselves do not enter, nor will you let those enter who are trying to. </p>
<p>What worldly teachers are doing to you </p>
<p>You adulterous people, don&#8217;t you know that<br />
friendship with the world is hatred toward God?<br />
Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes<br />
an enemy of God.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85671</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 12:43:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And it&#039;s also just occurred to me, has anyone updated Wikipedia yet?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And it&#8217;s also just occurred to me, has anyone updated Wikipedia yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85670</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Quick, send it to the UK Human Rights people!  They need to get on it ASAP!

And yes it does have sound i.e. music, not commentary.  So it&#039;s watchable whether you have sound or not really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quick, send it to the UK Human Rights people!  They need to get on it ASAP!</p>
<p>And yes it does have sound i.e. music, not commentary.  So it&#8217;s watchable whether you have sound or not really.</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85669</link>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ll watch that a bit later Tim when I can stream, does it have sound?

In the meantime, we were terribly wrong about 6 day Creationism. Evidence has been found for this in an archeological dig:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/evidence-for-creationism-found.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evidence for Creationism found&lt;/a&gt;

Feel really silly to have been so wrong and trusted science and the theory of evolution....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll watch that a bit later Tim when I can stream, does it have sound?</p>
<p>In the meantime, we were terribly wrong about 6 day Creationism. Evidence has been found for this in an archeological dig:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://ecclesandbosco.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/evidence-for-creationism-found.html"  rel="nofollow">Evidence for Creationism found</a></p>
<p>Feel really silly to have been so wrong and trusted science and the theory of evolution&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85668</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 11:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the beginning God created the &lt;a href=&quot;http://vimeo.com/goldpaintphotography/withintwoworlds&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Heavens and the Earth&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the beginning God created the <a target="_blank" href="http://vimeo.com/goldpaintphotography/withintwoworlds"  rel="nofollow">Heavens and the Earth</a></p>
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		<title>By: James Holmes Occupy &#124; Catholic Bandita</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85658</link>
		<dc:creator>James Holmes Occupy &#124; Catholic Bandita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jul 2012 06:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Like Stuart, I don&#8217;t have much in the opinion department at the moment. I do have news, though. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Like Stuart, I don&#8217;t have much in the opinion department at the moment. I do have news, though. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Goy</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85641</link>
		<dc:creator>Goy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Welfare benefits cuts to bring about mass destitution - so that the masses despair and hurt so much they scream for National Socialism, is this a strategy of tension deployed by the UK &lt;i&gt;Conservative&lt;/i&gt; Party?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Welfare benefits cuts to bring about mass destitution &#8211; so that the masses despair and hurt so much they scream for National Socialism, is this a strategy of tension deployed by the UK <i>Conservative</i> Party?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85627</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:14:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The &quot;Church in Wales&quot; -- meaning the Anglican church -- is deep in the dwang:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18906518

Plans essentially consist of retaining a full complement of bishops and diocesan staff, and employing a few dozen curates, one per 25 parishes, to act as parish staff for the entirety of Wales for whatever christenings, marriages, and funerals the increasingly godless Welsh choose to pay for.

I suppose some cynical people might feel that such plans tell us rather concisely why it is that a church mainly memorable for persuading a nation full of churchgoers in 1900 to press the &quot;eject&quot; button is, a century on, deep in the financial, moral, and spiritual dwang.

They don&#039;t seem to feel that getting Rowan Williams back is the answer, for some reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;Church in Wales&#8221; &#8212; meaning the Anglican church &#8212; is deep in the dwang:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18906518"  rel="nofollow">http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-18906518</a></p>
<p>Plans essentially consist of retaining a full complement of bishops and diocesan staff, and employing a few dozen curates, one per 25 parishes, to act as parish staff for the entirety of Wales for whatever christenings, marriages, and funerals the increasingly godless Welsh choose to pay for.</p>
<p>I suppose some cynical people might feel that such plans tell us rather concisely why it is that a church mainly memorable for persuading a nation full of churchgoers in 1900 to press the &#8220;eject&#8221; button is, a century on, deep in the financial, moral, and spiritual dwang.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t seem to feel that getting Rowan Williams back is the answer, for some reason.</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85626</link>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 12:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You are right though Tim, I&#039;m particularly crap with adding pictures of any type. I know I should, but can rarely be bothered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right though Tim, I&#8217;m particularly crap with adding pictures of any type. I know I should, but can rarely be bothered.</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85623</link>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Only when you talk about the ladies ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Only when you talk about the ladies <img src='http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85622</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:28:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Do you get a sense of impending doom every time I post a link? Lol!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you get a sense of impending doom every time I post a link? Lol!</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85620</link>
		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Nice one Tim. I thought you were gonna get me in trouble for a mo ;-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice one Tim. I thought you were gonna get me in trouble for a mo <img src='http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85619</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:19:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What sun?

But I want to complain about the fact that you don&#039;t have many pictures on this blog.  Specifically, how about pics of ladieeez in bathing costumes.  Hmmm?  I am sure it would be very popular.

But to wet peoples appetites and help you get the ball rolling here are a few anyway:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RMBnYX1OtXY/S-pXUyICvFI/AAAAAAAACZk/9qn6W918LTk/s1600/sydney_beach_beauties.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bathing Beauties 1&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UILFJCGdZ4Q/TAUap1-EDSI/AAAAAAAAADQ/6trkvbzDS1M/s1600/severely-obese-women.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bathing Beauties 2&lt;/a&gt;

And finally:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v1536ju6uEI/TZVLvCA7v5I/AAAAAAAAAEs/Nr3D_8N8vik/s1600/742_Funny_Fat_men.jpg&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;One for the ladies&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What sun?</p>
<p>But I want to complain about the fact that you don&#8217;t have many pictures on this blog.  Specifically, how about pics of ladieeez in bathing costumes.  Hmmm?  I am sure it would be very popular.</p>
<p>But to wet peoples appetites and help you get the ball rolling here are a few anyway:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_RMBnYX1OtXY/S-pXUyICvFI/AAAAAAAACZk/9qn6W918LTk/s1600/sydney_beach_beauties.jpg"  rel="nofollow">Bathing Beauties 1</a></p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_UILFJCGdZ4Q/TAUap1-EDSI/AAAAAAAAADQ/6trkvbzDS1M/s1600/severely-obese-women.jpg"  rel="nofollow">Bathing Beauties 2</a></p>
<p>And finally:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v1536ju6uEI/TZVLvCA7v5I/AAAAAAAAAEs/Nr3D_8N8vik/s1600/742_Funny_Fat_men.jpg"  rel="nofollow">One for the ladies</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ttony</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2012/07/21/weekend-open-thread/comment-page-1/#comment-85618</link>
		<dc:creator>Ttony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 11:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Insofar as I can work out the latest Clifton Diocesan accounts (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends77/0000233977_ac_20101231_e_c.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;), it looks as though £600K is sent from the parishes to the docesan curia.  That would mean that the new person who is taking over as Diocesan Chief Exec is going to cost the &quot;man in the pew&quot; an extra 10% a year.

How many Cliftonians are going to be up for it?  Are you?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insofar as I can work out the latest Clifton Diocesan accounts (see <a target="_blank" href="http://www.charity-commission.gov.uk/Accounts/Ends77/0000233977_ac_20101231_e_c.pdf"  rel="nofollow">here</a>), it looks as though £600K is sent from the parishes to the docesan curia.  That would mean that the new person who is taking over as Diocesan Chief Exec is going to cost the &#8220;man in the pew&#8221; an extra 10% a year.</p>
<p>How many Cliftonians are going to be up for it?  Are you?</p>
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