“Respect” Bradford councillor Alyas Karmani disparages Jews and Christians
Alyas Karmani of George Galloway’s RESPECT party recently defeated Ian Greenwood to become a Bradford councillor.
Here is Karmani speaking about terrorism and the “ideology” of Jews and Christians (Yahood and the Nasara) who apparently have “no issue killing women and children”:
H/T Harry’s Place
Tags: Christianity, Israel, Politics, Religion Society
May 8th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Quite right too – some Christians certainly do not have an issue in that regard. Alyas Karmani must be thinking of those American Christians who supply money to the Jewish nation and breed that red heifer so they can take over the temple precint once again. And of course there is that loving Evangelical mob who voted Bush into power and are more than keen to ensure that Israel is able to manufacture those remarkable phosphorescent(?) bombs which killed so many children in the Lebanon and Gaza. And how about Bush’s ‘crusader’ speech vis-a-vis Iraq. And let us not forget the thousands of Arab refugees.
It is hardly worth pointing out that there are fanatics on both sides of the incendiary religious fence. I suppose the only difference is that American Christians do not use bomb belts because of their love for all things material – while of course the Arabs have nothing to lose anyway. I am not denying there are other factors involved in the psyche of American Christians and Muslims.
I am sure that if I had the time I would be able to raise a half-dozen raving Christian lunatics on YouTube as well; but there we are anyway . . .
Interesting though that Karmani did not mention how Muslims are slaughtering Muslims.
May 8th, 2012 at 9:23 am
The comments on the article at Harry’s Place pretty much say all that needs to be said with regards this disgusting person.
May 9th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
This brief extract is from an hour long presentation entitled ‘Extremism Not in the Name of Islam’ and as such is distorted from its true context.
The key points I am trying to make in the lecture:
• Extremism has NO place in place in Islam and is not supported by Islamic theology and the true character of Islam is one of moderation
• Terrorism is a reprehensible crime that has NO Islamic theological justification in anyway
• Unequivocal condemnation of the terrorist acts of 9/11, 7/7, Madrid and Bali
• There is no justification in Islam to commit terrorist acts against innocent others irrespective of whether they are Muslim or Non-Muslim
• The Neo-Khawarijite Al Qaeda ideology is a reprehensible aberration and has NO justification within Islam and Muslims need to actively challenge and eradicate this ideology wherever it emerges
• Acknowledgment that most terrorist acts perpetrated against Muslims are committed by co-religionists and hence Muslims need to actively prevent intra-Muslim violence
• Muslims are required to live in peace with their non-Muslim neighbours and need to be honest and upright as citizens
• All Religions have extremist elements that malign the true teachings of their religion to legitimate violence against innocent others and this is reprehensible and has to be challenged and opposed
• The true message of all religions is one of peace, moderation and tolerance
• Muslims should respond to those who commit violence against them with forgiveness, reconciliation and higher moral values and cannot reciprocate by harming others and inflicting violence on them
• Extremist justification for domestic violence, honour based violence and sexual exploitation of girls/women is also wicked, evil and has no justification within Islam
I tried to make these points to the best of my ability, if in the course of the presentation I inadvertently offended anyone than I sincerely apologise for this
May 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Violence has always been an integral part of Islam, and historical records show this to be true. The Quran has a stream of violence against the unbelievers constantly running through it like a blood-red thread. How about:
Quran (2:216) – “Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not.”
Quran (4:95)“Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-”
Quran (8:12) – “I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them”
Quran (8:39) – “And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion should be only for Allah”
Quran (61:4) – “Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way”
Quran (61:9) – “He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist.”
And then there are of course all these others if any have a mind to look them up:
Quran (2:244)
Quran (3:56)
Quran (3:151)
Quran (4:74)
Quran (4:76)
Quran (4:89)
Quran (4:104)
Quran (5:33)
Quran (8:15)
Quran (8:57)
Quran (8:59-60)
Quran (8:65)
Quran (9:5)
Quran (9:14)
Quran (9:20)
Quran (9:29),
Quran (9:30)
Quran (9:38-39)
Quran (9:41-42)
Quran (9:73)
Quran (9:88)
Quran (9:111)
Quran (9:123)
Quran (17:16)
Quran (18:65-81)
Quran (21:44)
Quran (25:52)
Quran (33:60-62)
Quran (47:3-4)
Quran (47:35)
Quran (48:17)
Quran (48:29)
Quran (61:10-12)
Quran (66:9)
And then too there are all the Hadith etc., but I have neither the time nor inclination to go into all those and I think I have made the point clear enough anyway. There is so much encouragement to violence against the non-Muslim throughout Islams history that complete essays could be, and have been, written on the subject.
The claim that “The true message of all religions is one of peace, moderation and tolerance” is one that millions of Sikhs, Hindu’s Buddhists, Animists, Christians and Jews would never apply to Islam as they know it is not true. And the facts bear this out.
Islam is quite literally at war with every belief system in the world, with daily news items detailing violence, death, murder, and degradation, a testimony to this fact.
With regards women it is well established that Islam has a very low opinion of them, the Quran teaches that they have far less value than a man, and are worth nothing more than fields to be ploughed. And that’s Muslim women. Non-Muslim women are even worse off than that!
Qur’an (2:223) – “Your wives are as a tilth unto you; so approach your tilth when or how ye will…”
Qur’an – (4:11)“The male shall have the equal of the portion of two females”
Qur’an (4:24) and Qur’an (33:50) show that men are permitted to take sex slaves.
From the Hadith:
Ishaq 593 – “From the captives of Hunayn, Allah’s Messenger gave [his son-in-law] Ali a slave girl called Baytab and he gave [future Caliph] Uthman a slave girl called Zaynab and [future Caliph] Umar another.”
Bukhari (6:301) – “[Muhammad] said, ‘Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?’ They replied in the affirmative. He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence.’”
Muslim (4:1039) – “A’isha said [to Muhammad]: ‘You have made us equal to the dogs and the asses’”
Ishaq 593 – “As for Ali, he said, ‘Women are plentiful, and you can easily change one for another.’”
Is this a form of Taqqiyah or Kitman from you? After all, deceit is permissible within Islam and against the unbelievers as, in your belief system it is not what you say/do that matters but your intention, and as examples:
Qur’an (2:225)
Qur’an (3:28)
Qur’an (3:54)
Qur’an (9:3)
Qur’an (40:28)
Qur’an (66:2)
…then there are the Hadith and Islamic law as well which clearly permit such things…
Or are you trying to create a new Islam? Or an Islam-Lite? Good luck with that because there is a verse in the Quran that says that anyone that doesn’t believe all of the Quran is not a true Muslim.
May 9th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Oh come on Tim! Have a good look at the Old Testament for those writer’s take on violence, misogyny and so on. I am no Islamic scholar however there is much good in Islam as well – even Benedict XVI will tell you that.
The Abrahamic faiths are steeped in blood. I have an idea you have picked up your texts from a right wing evangelical website and I very much doubt you are a scholar on Islam.
May 9th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Poor boy Marc. Are you an atheist? You sound like one.
“I am no Islamic scholar” And boy, doesn’t it show. You clearly do not know a lot about Christianity either. Christianity can claim direct descent from Judaism. Islam is not an Abrahamic faith. It is one thing to claim you are but another thing entirely to actually be so. I could dress up like the King of Siam and claim to be him, but it doesn’t make me so.
Accusing me of getting my texts from a right-wing evangelical website say more about your political leanings, none of them good, than mine.
And let’s take some of the Christian concepts of behaviour shall we?
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To obey those placed in authority
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
At all times to speak the truth
To respect the honour of women
Gee, they sound just the same as Islamic teachings, not!
May 9th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Tim: “To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To obey those placed in authority
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
At all times to speak the truth
To respect the honour of women”
Which Islam also happens to teach. I happen to be a Christian of very long standing – first as an evangelical for thirty two years – many spent in teaching, then finally a Roman Catholic. But that is quite aside from the point, as I am not here to score points with Christian credentials.
Certainly Islam has its ugly side – but let us never forget the ugly side of Christianity – see the figures which my friend Dr Gilbert Burnham of John Hopkins University produced of the death count as a consequence of the American invasion of Iraq – very much encouraged by the Christian right. And what was that all about? Oil – the evangelical right’s much needed fuel for their 4×4′s, and other materialistic paraphenalia.
So there we are – Islam and Christianity has both an ugly – and a ‘good’ side . . .
May 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
“Which Islam also happens to teach.”
No it doesn’t. Most emphatically not. Islam has an ugly side. A very ugly side and the entire history of that religion is testament to that fact. As I stated before, “The claim that “The true message of all religions is one of peace, moderation and tolerance” is one that millions of Sikhs, Hindu’s, Buddhists, Animists, Christians and Jews would never apply to Islam as they know it is not true. And the facts bear this out. Islam is quite literally at war with every belief system in the world, with daily news items detailing violence, death, murder, and degradation, a testimony to this fact.” These are figures which my friend down at the local corner shop has also pointed out. Your politics is coming across loud and clear.
Some christians have an ugly side. Christianity does NOT have an ugly side.
And stop trying to distract from the issue at hand, Alyas Karmani’s history and statements. It’s interesting that you take up this argument here with me, rather than at Harry’s Place where the post originates. Could it be that you’re arguments would be taken out with the garbage there as well?
May 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
In hoc signo vinces†
@Alyas Karmani,
That is a long list of NO place in islam denials, but conveniently islam permits such denials mouthed by its adherence in order to further the strategy of conquest.
Sweet fizzy pop islam easier for the gullible masses to swallow.
May 10th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
“Islam has an ugly side”. Indeed it does, just as Christianity does as well. Lets not ignore history. See Diarmaid MacCulloch’s ‘History of Christianty’ for a pleasant journey into Christendoms nasty side.
The problem is not religion actually – it is humanity.
May 11th, 2012 at 1:44 am
@marc,
The nasty side of Diarmaid MacCulloch’s ultraliberal bias has been discussed on this site before.
May 14th, 2012 at 1:29 am
re Diarmaid MacCulloch’s ‘History of Christianity’ – I am talking about history more than MacCulloch’s particular take on it. There is enough history of Christianity’s – and Islam’s – penchant for war and violence outside of MacCulloch’s book. It is not as if MacCulloch is thumbsucking history.