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	<title>Comments on: Seismic Shock, Rev. Stephen Sizer, Blogging, Christians and Censorship.</title>
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	<description>I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth.</description>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12199</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:06:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: Roger, might I humbly suggest that you look up the definition of a troll in the online world?

It is normally taken as &quot;someone who writes a provocative comment to elicit a response&quot;, and maybe you should perhaps look in the mirror on this occasion.

I am more than happy to deal with the arguments, time after time after time, and you will notice how you haven&#039;t ever been deleted from my blog. 

I wouldn&#039;t dream of deleting someone because of a political disagreement, or or because they are offensive, that is not my style.

I do have a comments policy and I think every blog is entitled to have one, but deleting comments is not something that advocates of freedom of speech often do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: Roger, might I humbly suggest that you look up the definition of a troll in the online world?</p>
<p>It is normally taken as &#8220;someone who writes a provocative comment to elicit a response&#8221;, and maybe you should perhaps look in the mirror on this occasion.</p>
<p>I am more than happy to deal with the arguments, time after time after time, and you will notice how you haven&#8217;t ever been deleted from my blog. </p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t dream of deleting someone because of a political disagreement, or or because they are offensive, that is not my style.</p>
<p>I do have a comments policy and I think every blog is entitled to have one, but deleting comments is not something that advocates of freedom of speech often do.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12198</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:01:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I have been very open about my views, I might be accused of being many things, however, shy and retiring is not one of them. 

In fact, I do try to see a little bit of Rev. Sizer&#039;s side of the case, and particularly the issue of the ex-Royal Marine.

I wonder how that will be explained away?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I have been very open about my views, I might be accused of being many things, however, shy and retiring is not one of them. </p>
<p>In fact, I do try to see a little bit of Rev. Sizer&#8217;s side of the case, and particularly the issue of the ex-Royal Marine.</p>
<p>I wonder how that will be explained away?</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12190</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:46:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s on Modernity&#039;s blog, so merely indicates one side of the argument, rather than an update, tho.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s on Modernity&#8217;s blog, so merely indicates one side of the argument, rather than an update, tho.</p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12189</link>
		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good update on this link:-

&lt;a href=&quot;http://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/the-state-of-play-and-rev-sizer/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The State Of Play and Rev. Sizer.&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good update on this link:-</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://modernityblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/30/the-state-of-play-and-rev-sizer/"  rel="nofollow">The State Of Play and Rev. Sizer.</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12187</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 17:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotcha.  

I thought I would dangle that, and see what happened.  It&#039;s always nice to get a troll to reveal himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotcha.  </p>
<p>I thought I would dangle that, and see what happened.  It&#8217;s always nice to get a troll to reveal himself.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12186</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:43:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Roger,

Again, you can&#039;t see the contradiction here between you being a supposed advocate of freedom of speech, deleting comments and threatening libel.

Hmm.

You really should sit down and pray about these matters :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Roger,</p>
<p>Again, you can&#8217;t see the contradiction here between you being a supposed advocate of freedom of speech, deleting comments and threatening libel.</p>
<p>Hmm.</p>
<p>You really should sit down and pray about these matters <img src='http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12185</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 16:39:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re getting close to libel, Modernity.  This is not what happened, and you know it.   Please desist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re getting close to libel, Modernity.  This is not what happened, and you know it.   Please desist.</p>
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		<title>By: modernity</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12184</link>
		<dc:creator>modernity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe Roger is being disingenuous, as any recent sampling of his comments across the blogosphere on this topic will indicate.

&lt;i&gt;“We cannot (and should not) demand a platform for freedom of speech for ourselves and then attempt to silence our critics.”&lt;/i&gt;

I won&#039;t remind Roger of his recent conduct and deleting comparatively innocuous comments on his own blog :)

His hypocrisy about freedom of speech is  rather obvious once you get past the veneer. 

I would recommend reading Francis Sedgemore&#039;s post, he deals with it in greater depth</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe Roger is being disingenuous, as any recent sampling of his comments across the blogosphere on this topic will indicate.</p>
<p><i>“We cannot (and should not) demand a platform for freedom of speech for ourselves and then attempt to silence our critics.”</i></p>
<p>I won&#8217;t remind Roger of his recent conduct and deleting comparatively innocuous comments on his own blog <img src='http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>His hypocrisy about freedom of speech is  rather obvious once you get past the veneer. </p>
<p>I would recommend reading Francis Sedgemore&#8217;s post, he deals with it in greater depth</p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12174</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 22:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you very much for this, which is helpful.  This bit, you mean:

&quot;I hope that more blogs will pick up this story. Don’t let Stephen Sizer get away with this and create a precedent whereby bloggers who expose the truth can be intimidated through the apparatus of the law. ... If you are a blogger then blog about this. Here is a list of blogs that have already run the story and let me know if you blog about this, so I can add you to the list.&quot;

I suppose I can see the logic.  But I would read the post to indicate that *your* object was not about organising an anti-Sizer lynch mob, but about a pro-free speech campaign, undertaken in good faith on the basis of what you knew, and for the highly laudable goal of keeping the police off all of our backs.  You may have been misinformed about the facts -- none of us know them for sure -- but such an intention would always be good.  (What sparked the hostility was probably the anti-Sizer political comments you quoted in the middle of it, which WAS unwise).

Just being clear: do you deny these accusations? (I presume you do! but I thought I wouldn&#039;t put words in your mouth).

It is interesting, then, that a pro-Sizer lobby does exist and is emailing around.  I hadn&#039;t seen a trace of it until now, which I thought odd.  Any idea roughly how many people?

It is regrettable that Stephen Sizer has not stepped forward to defend himself, tho.  

&quot;We cannot (and should not) demand a platform for freedom of speech for ourselves and then attempt to silence our critics.&quot;

This is well said.  There is too much of this going around in this debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for this, which is helpful.  This bit, you mean:</p>
<p>&#8220;I hope that more blogs will pick up this story. Don’t let Stephen Sizer get away with this and create a precedent whereby bloggers who expose the truth can be intimidated through the apparatus of the law. &#8230; If you are a blogger then blog about this. Here is a list of blogs that have already run the story and let me know if you blog about this, so I can add you to the list.&#8221;</p>
<p>I suppose I can see the logic.  But I would read the post to indicate that *your* object was not about organising an anti-Sizer lynch mob, but about a pro-free speech campaign, undertaken in good faith on the basis of what you knew, and for the highly laudable goal of keeping the police off all of our backs.  You may have been misinformed about the facts &#8212; none of us know them for sure &#8212; but such an intention would always be good.  (What sparked the hostility was probably the anti-Sizer political comments you quoted in the middle of it, which WAS unwise).</p>
<p>Just being clear: do you deny these accusations? (I presume you do! but I thought I wouldn&#8217;t put words in your mouth).</p>
<p>It is interesting, then, that a pro-Sizer lobby does exist and is emailing around.  I hadn&#8217;t seen a trace of it until now, which I thought odd.  Any idea roughly how many people?</p>
<p>It is regrettable that Stephen Sizer has not stepped forward to defend himself, tho.  </p>
<p>&#8220;We cannot (and should not) demand a platform for freedom of speech for ourselves and then attempt to silence our critics.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is well said.  There is too much of this going around in this debate.</p>
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		<title>By: Webmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>Webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:43:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;em&gt;What conduct of yours was described as “organising a lynch mob”?&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Email comments received in response to my blogging activity as follows:-

http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/23/anglican-minister-reverend-stephen-sizer-uses-police-to-intimidate-seismic-shock-blogger/

http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/24/show-solidarity-seismic-shock-victim-intimidation-shining-spotlight-antizionist-theology-reverend-stephen-sizer/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><em>What conduct of yours was described as “organising a lynch mob”?</em></p></blockquote>
<p>Email comments received in response to my blogging activity as follows:-</p>
<p><a href="http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/23/anglican-minister-reverend-stephen-sizer-uses-police-to-intimidate-seismic-shock-blogger/"  rel="nofollow">http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/23/anglican-minister-reverend-stephen-sizer-uses-police-to-intimidate-seismic-shock-blogger/</a></p>
<p><a href="http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/24/show-solidarity-seismic-shock-victim-intimidation-shining-spotlight-antizionist-theology-reverend-stephen-sizer/"  rel="nofollow">http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/24/show-solidarity-seismic-shock-victim-intimidation-shining-spotlight-antizionist-theology-reverend-stephen-sizer/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Roger Pearse</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12172</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger Pearse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 21:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;So far I have been accused of: organising a lynch mob, witch hunt, hate campaign, making a song and dance, making things awkward for an Anglican group affiliated with Sizer, of being culpable of terrorising, of dishing out persecution, of consorting with the ‘wrong types’, and told that I should ‘draw a veil’ over any of Sizer’s theology that I may have an issue with, and so on. I think you get the picture.&quot;

Interesting.  I think I would like to know more about this.  What conduct of yours was described as &quot;organising a lynch mob&quot;?  I can see how Seismic could be accused of this, but not you.  What am I missing?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So far I have been accused of: organising a lynch mob, witch hunt, hate campaign, making a song and dance, making things awkward for an Anglican group affiliated with Sizer, of being culpable of terrorising, of dishing out persecution, of consorting with the ‘wrong types’, and told that I should ‘draw a veil’ over any of Sizer’s theology that I may have an issue with, and so on. I think you get the picture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Interesting.  I think I would like to know more about this.  What conduct of yours was described as &#8220;organising a lynch mob&#8221;?  I can see how Seismic could be accused of this, but not you.  What am I missing?</p>
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		<title>By: More on Seismic Shock and Police Intimidation &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12170</link>
		<dc:creator>More on Seismic Shock and Police Intimidation &#124; The Church of Jesus Christ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 19:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you might want to check out Stuart&#8217;s blog as [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Quentin</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12169</link>
		<dc:creator>Quentin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 16:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This sounds a lot like Anglican Mainstream.</description>
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		<title>By: Seismic Shock video &#171; Seismic Shock</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12146</link>
		<dc:creator>Seismic Shock video &#171; Seismic Shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jan 2010 02:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Modernity &#8211; reposted by eChurch, John Gray, Z-Word, The Poor Mouth, Sedgemore and IsraelWhat. Possibly related posts: [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Anglican Group Intimidates Another Blogger &#171; Seismic Shock</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2010/01/28/seismic-shock-rev-stephen-sizer-blogging-christians-and-censorship/comment-page-1/#comment-12139</link>
		<dc:creator>Anglican Group Intimidates Another Blogger &#171; Seismic Shock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 23:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Anglican Group Intimidates Another&#160;Blogger Filed under: censorship &#8212; seismicshock @ 11:29 pm   This is a guest post by Stuart [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Anglican Group Intimidates Another&nbsp;Blogger Filed under: censorship &#8212; seismicshock @ 11:29 pm   This is a guest post by Stuart [...]</p>
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		<title>By: webmaster</title>
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		<dc:creator>webmaster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 21:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rev Ivan Ackeroff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rev Ivan Ackeroff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jan 2010 19:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right-wing evangelicals are allowed to say what they want. And destroy the Church in the process. Challenge them and they threaten you. Don&#039;t be warned off by hate-mongers who hide behind the Christian Faith, but haven&#039;t a clue what it means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right-wing evangelicals are allowed to say what they want. And destroy the Church in the process. Challenge them and they threaten you. Don&#8217;t be warned off by hate-mongers who hide behind the Christian Faith, but haven&#8217;t a clue what it means.</p>
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