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	<description>I am not out of my mind, most excellent Festus, but I utter words of sober truth.</description>
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		<title>By: Simon Icke</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2009/10/21/papal-bull-anglican-china-shop/comment-page-1/#comment-7683</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Icke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:37:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This bullish approach towards Anglo-Catholic Anglicans from the Roman Catholic Pope is potentially very dangerous indeed. Does he want to destabilise nearly 500 years of relative peace between Anglicans in England &amp; Wales and Roman Catholics; with largely mutual tolerance, friendship, peace and understanding; avoiding sectarianism as we have seen in Northern Ireland and parts of Scotland. 
 
 In these troubled times with the nation facing many problems, such as the threat of terrorism from Islamic fundamentalists, a broken society that has largely lost its moral compass and its spirituality and more recently financial hardship for the poor in the midst of a recession; with excessive greed by the few; who are flaunting their unearned wealth under the noses of those who have next to nothing. 
 
At a time when we all need to hold together and seek unity where ever possible, the nation is now faced with an unexpected threat to destabilise the country. The Pope and the Roman Catholics leaders should back off now, before the masses realize what is being proposed.  This could easily lead to trouble on our streets as those who seek to divide us in these difficult times, see their opportunity to cause civil unrest in our nation, and even set neighbour against neighbour. 
 
Scare mongering? I don&#039;t think so, this nightmare scenario is a possibility if this divisive proposal is not stopped now.
 
One cannot help thinking this dangerous situation has come about as a result of very weak leadership at the top of the Anglican Church, for too many years now they have been navel gazing and almost completely forgotten their Christian mission to this nation and beyond. The Pope has seen this weakness and it seems he now seeks to exploit it.
 
Just as our great queen Elizabeth 1, defender of the Church of England and our Christian faith made a courageous stand against the threat from Rome, via Catholic Spain and France, for the first time in hundreds of years Anglican Christians need to stand and be counted, united in defending our English Christian faith and heritage.

PS Please don&#039;t shoot me , I&#039;m just the messenger!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This bullish approach towards Anglo-Catholic Anglicans from the Roman Catholic Pope is potentially very dangerous indeed. Does he want to destabilise nearly 500 years of relative peace between Anglicans in England &amp; Wales and Roman Catholics; with largely mutual tolerance, friendship, peace and understanding; avoiding sectarianism as we have seen in Northern Ireland and parts of Scotland. </p>
<p> In these troubled times with the nation facing many problems, such as the threat of terrorism from Islamic fundamentalists, a broken society that has largely lost its moral compass and its spirituality and more recently financial hardship for the poor in the midst of a recession; with excessive greed by the few; who are flaunting their unearned wealth under the noses of those who have next to nothing. </p>
<p>At a time when we all need to hold together and seek unity where ever possible, the nation is now faced with an unexpected threat to destabilise the country. The Pope and the Roman Catholics leaders should back off now, before the masses realize what is being proposed.  This could easily lead to trouble on our streets as those who seek to divide us in these difficult times, see their opportunity to cause civil unrest in our nation, and even set neighbour against neighbour. </p>
<p>Scare mongering? I don&#8217;t think so, this nightmare scenario is a possibility if this divisive proposal is not stopped now.</p>
<p>One cannot help thinking this dangerous situation has come about as a result of very weak leadership at the top of the Anglican Church, for too many years now they have been navel gazing and almost completely forgotten their Christian mission to this nation and beyond. The Pope has seen this weakness and it seems he now seeks to exploit it.</p>
<p>Just as our great queen Elizabeth 1, defender of the Church of England and our Christian faith made a courageous stand against the threat from Rome, via Catholic Spain and France, for the first time in hundreds of years Anglican Christians need to stand and be counted, united in defending our English Christian faith and heritage.</p>
<p>PS Please don&#8217;t shoot me , I&#8217;m just the messenger!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Icke</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2009/10/21/papal-bull-anglican-china-shop/comment-page-1/#comment-7518</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Icke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Oct 2009 23:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TWO GOOD REASONS FOR ANGLICANS NOT TO BE SEDUCED BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH:

1. Arrogance:

The Times 11 July 2007:
&#039;If it isn&#039;t Roman Catholic then it&#039;s not a proper church&#039; Pope tell Christians. The Vatican has described the Protestant &amp; Orthodox faiths as not proper churches in a document issued with the full authority of the Pope:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056515.ece#

2. Protection of Child Abusers:

New Catholic Archbishop Most Rev Vincent Nichols May 2009 praised the courage of guilty clergy for admitting their guilt: Daily Mail 21.05.09: 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1185773/New-Archbishop-engulfed-Catholic-abuse-row-praising-courage-guilty-clergy.html

But what about the courage of the victims who suffered for years at the hands of these child abusers? The Archbishop should be ashamed of himself for making such a ridiculous statement like this.....
It doesn&#039;t need courage to abuse a child only some sick and twisted perversion. These people should be named and shamed and brought to justice in a criminal court for their disgusting crimes against children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TWO GOOD REASONS FOR ANGLICANS NOT TO BE SEDUCED BY THE ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH:</p>
<p>1. Arrogance:</p>
<p>The Times 11 July 2007:<br />
&#8216;If it isn&#8217;t Roman Catholic then it&#8217;s not a proper church&#8217; Pope tell Christians. The Vatican has described the Protestant &amp; Orthodox faiths as not proper churches in a document issued with the full authority of the Pope:</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056515.ece#"  rel="nofollow">http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2056515.ece#</a></p>
<p>2. Protection of Child Abusers:</p>
<p>New Catholic Archbishop Most Rev Vincent Nichols May 2009 praised the courage of guilty clergy for admitting their guilt: Daily Mail 21.05.09: </p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1185773/New-Archbishop-engulfed-Catholic-abuse-row-praising-courage-guilty-clergy.html"  rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1185773/New-Archbishop-engulfed-Catholic-abuse-row-praising-courage-guilty-clergy.html</a></p>
<p>But what about the courage of the victims who suffered for years at the hands of these child abusers? The Archbishop should be ashamed of himself for making such a ridiculous statement like this&#8230;..<br />
It doesn&#8217;t need courage to abuse a child only some sick and twisted perversion. These people should be named and shamed and brought to justice in a criminal court for their disgusting crimes against children.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Roberts</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2009/10/21/papal-bull-anglican-china-shop/comment-page-1/#comment-6981</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 17:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>England became Christian because of the Catholic Church with St. Augustine establishing the see of Canterbury, and for centuries upon centuries fought alongside the other Catholic countries against the Muslims. England as a country today is weaker than ever. Walking in downtown London is like walking in Dubai. Of the 4 million Catholics in Great Britain, almost 2 million attend church every weekend while 42 million Anglicans sleep in on Sunday in GB barely mustering 900,000 to attend Church. Those Anglicans that do attend are very Catholic friendly. Catholics already are the largest practicing Christian faith in Great Britain.

Anglicanism was built on King who was immoral, while Catholicism was built by Jesus Christ on Peter who is the Rock where the church of Christ was built.

Becareful of your national pride as I too love England and equally can&#039;t stand foreigners in England, but the Catholic Church is not foreign to England but is the original Christian faith of these Isles. May Our Lady of Walsingham guide many millions of Anglicans back home and may we stand firm against the Muslims who invade our lands.

The Anglicans I have met who are thrilled about this love the Lord with all their hearts, and see that Christ did establish a Prime Minister and that only this Catholic Church has the Promises of Christ to be lead into all Truth, have final binding and loosing authority, power to forgive sins, power to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist and finally the gates of hell shall never prevail against her. This is all God&#039;s power, not man&#039;s.

May God in his mercy and love bring millions home, and may he also establish reunification with the Orthodox. Come Lord Jesus, Come!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>England became Christian because of the Catholic Church with St. Augustine establishing the see of Canterbury, and for centuries upon centuries fought alongside the other Catholic countries against the Muslims. England as a country today is weaker than ever. Walking in downtown London is like walking in Dubai. Of the 4 million Catholics in Great Britain, almost 2 million attend church every weekend while 42 million Anglicans sleep in on Sunday in GB barely mustering 900,000 to attend Church. Those Anglicans that do attend are very Catholic friendly. Catholics already are the largest practicing Christian faith in Great Britain.</p>
<p>Anglicanism was built on King who was immoral, while Catholicism was built by Jesus Christ on Peter who is the Rock where the church of Christ was built.</p>
<p>Becareful of your national pride as I too love England and equally can&#8217;t stand foreigners in England, but the Catholic Church is not foreign to England but is the original Christian faith of these Isles. May Our Lady of Walsingham guide many millions of Anglicans back home and may we stand firm against the Muslims who invade our lands.</p>
<p>The Anglicans I have met who are thrilled about this love the Lord with all their hearts, and see that Christ did establish a Prime Minister and that only this Catholic Church has the Promises of Christ to be lead into all Truth, have final binding and loosing authority, power to forgive sins, power to offer the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass with the true presence of Christ in the Eucharist and finally the gates of hell shall never prevail against her. This is all God&#8217;s power, not man&#8217;s.</p>
<p>May God in his mercy and love bring millions home, and may he also establish reunification with the Orthodox. Come Lord Jesus, Come!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Icke</title>
		<link>http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2009/10/21/papal-bull-anglican-china-shop/comment-page-1/#comment-6821</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Icke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to wake up Protestant Christian.
 
Elizabeth the First will be turning in her grave!
 
To think how this brave British Queen, Elizabeth 1,  with her very real Christian faith, bravely stopped the Roman Catholic plots from France &amp; Spain to try and return England back into a Roman Catholic Country. 
 
She was a true defender of the Church of England  &amp; The Christian faith and of this nation against Southern European Roman Catholic invaders. But now our wishy washy academic Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams just allows the bullish German Pope to seduce up to 20 % of of the Anglican Bishops, Clergy and laity; with the Archbishop of Canterbury giving not much more than a shrug of his shoulders and wringing of his hands; with his bearded blank expression seems to be saying: don&#039;t blame me, I didn&#039;t get us into this mess! (The fact I am such a bad Christian leader and more interested in secular issues like climate change than being the leader of the main Christian church has nothing to do with what is happening). Oh but it does! If he had any humility he would resign immediately and allow a real Christian who actually believes the Christian Gospel and who is not afraid to defend our nation and our protestant Christian faith and Anglican church from foreign invaders. I thought a good shepherd was supposed to look after his sheep not let them wander all over the place; ready to be devoured by known predators.
 
This Pope made his intentions very clear; not long after he was appointed when he publicly declared &#039; The Roman Catholic is the only real Christian faith in the world&#039;. (such arrogance, he implied that all other Christian denominations were heretics, so it seems nothing has changed since the brutal years of the Spanish inquisition and the slaughter of thousands the protestants including the Calvinist Huguenots in France; that saw religious cleansing in Europe on a massive scale).  So who will stand up to this aggressive Pope?  Before he causes massive outrage and reaction in England? Mark my words once the protestants in England &amp; Wales and NI wake up to what is being proposed, we will be on very dangerous ground indeed. And only God knows where it could lead. This can all be avoided if the Pope stops his religious crusade in England &amp; Wales and &#039;wishy washy&#039; Dr Rowan Williams stands down as soon as possible.
 
What this country needs right now is a Wesley, Spurgeon or a Whitefield to lead the Anglican Church; someone who has the boldness to stand and be counted and be proud to be a Protestant Anglican Christian. 

Simon Icke, Christian Political Writer, Campaigner &amp; Poet.

READ MORE IN TODAY&#039;S IN TODAYS GUARDIAN BLOG:...Church of England: Imperial Rome........


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/22/anglicanism-catholicism-gay-women-priests</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to wake up Protestant Christian.</p>
<p>Elizabeth the First will be turning in her grave!</p>
<p>To think how this brave British Queen, Elizabeth 1,  with her very real Christian faith, bravely stopped the Roman Catholic plots from France &amp; Spain to try and return England back into a Roman Catholic Country. </p>
<p>She was a true defender of the Church of England  &amp; The Christian faith and of this nation against Southern European Roman Catholic invaders. But now our wishy washy academic Archbishop Dr Rowan Williams just allows the bullish German Pope to seduce up to 20 % of of the Anglican Bishops, Clergy and laity; with the Archbishop of Canterbury giving not much more than a shrug of his shoulders and wringing of his hands; with his bearded blank expression seems to be saying: don&#8217;t blame me, I didn&#8217;t get us into this mess! (The fact I am such a bad Christian leader and more interested in secular issues like climate change than being the leader of the main Christian church has nothing to do with what is happening). Oh but it does! If he had any humility he would resign immediately and allow a real Christian who actually believes the Christian Gospel and who is not afraid to defend our nation and our protestant Christian faith and Anglican church from foreign invaders. I thought a good shepherd was supposed to look after his sheep not let them wander all over the place; ready to be devoured by known predators.</p>
<p>This Pope made his intentions very clear; not long after he was appointed when he publicly declared &#8216; The Roman Catholic is the only real Christian faith in the world&#8217;. (such arrogance, he implied that all other Christian denominations were heretics, so it seems nothing has changed since the brutal years of the Spanish inquisition and the slaughter of thousands the protestants including the Calvinist Huguenots in France; that saw religious cleansing in Europe on a massive scale).  So who will stand up to this aggressive Pope?  Before he causes massive outrage and reaction in England? Mark my words once the protestants in England &amp; Wales and NI wake up to what is being proposed, we will be on very dangerous ground indeed. And only God knows where it could lead. This can all be avoided if the Pope stops his religious crusade in England &amp; Wales and &#8216;wishy washy&#8217; Dr Rowan Williams stands down as soon as possible.</p>
<p>What this country needs right now is a Wesley, Spurgeon or a Whitefield to lead the Anglican Church; someone who has the boldness to stand and be counted and be proud to be a Protestant Anglican Christian. </p>
<p>Simon Icke, Christian Political Writer, Campaigner &amp; Poet.</p>
<p>READ MORE IN TODAY&#8217;S IN TODAYS GUARDIAN BLOG:&#8230;Church of England: Imperial Rome&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p><a target="_blank" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/22/anglicanism-catholicism-gay-women-priests"  rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/22/anglicanism-catholicism-gay-women-priests</a></p>
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